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Okay. I used to like the Pokemon anime back in the day. .......Alright! I was obsessed back then. >_> Anyway, I used to like the Kanto + Orange Archipelago arcs of the anime. I found them to be fun, interesting and even educational (learning about Japanese culture and holidays).

I'm not exactly sure but at some point during the Johto series, I got fed up. They had recycled so many things and it seemed like the plot never got anywhere, so I gave up on it. Though, I would watch it every once in a while.

At the beginning of Advance Generation, I saw a glimmer of hope. New characters? New storylines? THEY ACTUALLY HAVE DIFFERENT CLOTHES? I just felt compelled to watch. The first few episodes were quite good, I thought. They even inspired me to wander into the world of Pokemon fanfiction. Seeing Team Magma and Team Aqua pleased me, and I really thought they'd make an awesome plot similar to the one in the games.

However, maybe during the middle of AG, I began to see the repetitiveness again. Team Rocket being OOC and coming out in every single episode (and not adding anything to the story AT ALL) began to irk me to no end.

Then...I saw...what they made of the Kyogre and Groudon/Team Magma and Team Aqua storyline. It was just a pitiful two part episode involving Pikachu becoming possessed, Lance rearing his...pink head and taking Steven's role away, a sorry excuse for a battle between the two Legendaries, and an ending so sacchrine...it made me cry...because it was sooooo bad. It was just very sloppy and rushed.

Since when did Pokemon become 'Ash-uses-Pikachu-against-a-Ground type-and-still-wins' or 'Ash-helps-out-little-Susie/Billy Bob-with-some-of-their-stupid-problems?

I'll admit, some episodes of AG do amuse me. Overall, it ranges from mediocre to crappy.

Okay, also, why can't the people who support the anime give any good reasons as to why it's 'the best ever'? At the forums, whenever I see someone posting why they hate the anime, they defend it by saying stuff like 'omg u r returded try agin bitch'. Um, no. If you want to convince me of the anime's 'greatness', then give me something other than an immature insult.

If there's anyone that wants to intelligently debate this, just comment. Let me know why you think the anime hasn't gone down the tubes.

I'll just stick to the mangas and the movies, thanks.
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twilightsunburn
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Time:2006-06-02 12:14 pm (UTC)
i'm not going to argue with you, but i believe the 'pikachu owns ground types' mentality started back when ash faced Blaine at cinnabar island. pikachu used thunderbolt against a rhydon, but it did damage because pikachu aimed for the horn like a lightning rod.

not that it makes sense or anything.
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staff_of_truth
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Time:2006-06-03 09:24 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Pikachu has always been an 'uber' or whatever. But God...in these new episodes, it's practically unstoppable. It even created 'thunder armor' for its self and Swellow during a double battle. >_> Wtf...
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profhydron
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Time:2006-06-03 07:36 am (UTC)
Actually, I think it's stayed basically the same. Sure it's gotten longer, which accounts for more filler, which is why we all think it's getting 'worse'. But it's never been very good.

There are some CHOICE episodes from Kanto (Holy Matrimony! and A Chansey Operation for example, Orange Islands has a few goodies as well. Johto has "Will the Real Prof Oak Please Stand Up" and "Same Old Song and Dance" as well as the amazing "Heartbreak of Brock". But mainly, it's filler. With Ash and Co helping the person of the day with the problem of the day with a pokemon we either haven't seen in a while or ever before.
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staff_of_truth
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Time:2006-06-03 09:44 pm (UTC)
Well, you do have a point. Pokemon has always mainly been about fillers. However, some filler episodes were better than others. The Kanto, Orange Islands, and Johto did have some pretty cool episodes that had action and were not just totally showcasing some random Pokemon.

For the most part, the episodes in the Hoenn arc are boring. There are a few good episodes (to me, anyway), but they focus May and Max.

Anyway, I think there are changes between the original series and Advanced Generation.

For one thing, Jessie and James' attitudes and the way they interact with each other. Both became so...spiteful to one and other. I'm not sure of any specific examples, but I noticed that in the AG.

Then, there was the fact that Gary wasn't Ash's rival anymore. I believe that to be one of the biggest faults of the current series... Rivals tend to be a driving force for many characters, pushing them to go further because they want to catch up to someone or be as good as they are.

Also, there were some pretty ridiculous things happening in the Pokemon battles. Yes, in the past seasons, there were also times when Ash's Pokemon did unbelievable stunts... But, God, in the current show they just totally push the envelope. One of the incidents, as mentioned above, was that ridiculous Thunder Armor thing. It kind of bothered me a little to see Brock's Lotad evolve when it *fell down a well*. I always thought Pokemon evolution would happen because they became stronger (or in game terms, they reached a certain level) or they had some sort of emotional breakthrough. ...Not because they do random stuff. (Though, I think something like that happened with some other Pokemon that Ash had. Don't remember it too well.)

Meh. The characters never developed much either (but that's a complaint for the series as a whole). I think Team Rocket had the most episodes dedicated to them in the past.

Hey, what was "Heartbreak of Brock" about? I don't think I saw that one.
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profhydron
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Time:2006-06-04 10:07 pm (UTC)
The Jessie and James interaction could also be attributed to the VAs confidence in their characters, and the dubbers decision of what to make the conflict in the episode based on the japanese version.

Totally, I heart Gary. I miss him so much. His appearances were rare but man, I wish they never lost him. Ash lost a lot when that finally happened.

oh yeah, Thunder Armor was just insane. But he really chose like the worst two possible pokemon for that fight anyway. It would only have been worse if he picked Torkoal instead of Pikachu.

I did do an anime-related rant in pgh, did you happen to catch that?

"The Heartbreak of Brock" could have just as easily been renamed "Brock and James Almost Marry a (and I mean no derogatory use of the word) Retard". Serebii has a synopsis I believe, it was during the Johto League Champions (middle part) of the series.
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btamamura
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Time:2007-11-12 07:08 am (UTC)
Pfft...that's a good other title for 'The Heartbreak Of Brock'. Seriously, Temaku reminded me of Martina in Slayers Next. Temaku first liked Brock, then James and then the doctor who returns the feelings, and all because they saved her ('you saved my life, I was about to fall three inches into a fountain/onto the ground'...). Martina first liked Zelgadis (but hated him afterwards because he betrayed her and her father), then she liked Gourry (but hated him after learning how daft (understatement) he was), then she liked Xellos (but hated him after learning he's a mazoku), then finally fell in love with Zangulus who returned the affection.
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the_zedster
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Time:2006-07-23 12:23 am (UTC)
I agree. I used to love the series back when Ash et al. were in Kanto. Orange Islands with wide Tracy was ok, and Johto was decent. I really didn't like the show after that. I've seen maybe 1-2 episodes per year since, even the Japanese versions aren't much better. I don't know what to say, maybe I'm old fashioned and just have a bias for 'the good ol' days' of Pokemon. But it saddens me deeply to see what has become of the show and what I remember/have taped. I still remember some years back my brother and I found one of the taped episodes with TR trapping the trio in a blimp and trying to get Brock to say what happened with him at Prof. Ivy's place (they never did say what was up with that). Mind you it was about 2 AM, but I remember laughing so hard watching those old episodes. ::sigh::

Every now and then I go back to my old gold gameboy game. I will admit that I prefer the original pokemon and was somewhat resentful about the new ones in Johto—some were pretty bootleg, like wobbuffet. But some were really cool , like scizor, who'se now one of my personal favorites in my game.

I suppose all good things come to an end. I apologize for any mistakes/incoherency in this post. I have a mild headache from eyestrain so I'm trying to type fast and get this done. Oh, and this is my first post. Greetings, everyone.
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(Anonymous)
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Time:2006-12-31 04:55 pm (UTC)
Personally, I think the best way to watch Pokemon is to skip the filler episodes and just watch the gym battles and evolutions and stuff. However, there are a few developments Pokemon has made which I like.

The first is the fact that Ash has stopped giving away his Pokemon all the time. It may be kinda cheesey for him to suddenly decide to leave everyone but Pikachu with Prof Oak, but at east it means we get to see them from time to time. After Charizard left, the departures i was dreading the most were Noctowl and Cyndaquil. I know they've barely shown up since they were left behind, but at least there's aways a chance that they'll show up now and then.

The other major development I like is the fact that Ash's flying Pokemon now actually take part in battles now and then. With Pidgeotto, all it was ever used for was finding Team Rocket, and blowing away smoke. That really did get on my nerves. Even more so with Noctowl. I mean Ash has an ultra rare shiny Pokemon, and he almost *never* made good use of it! Now, with Swellow, and his new Mukkubird, that's finally changing. Took 'em long enough!

I also like the idea of Ash no longer catching every starter all the time. It's more realistic and it branches away from total predictability. Plus I am so glad he doesn't get stuck with that stupid fire moneky in Diamon/Pearl.

I agree, there could be other developments done. I mean I could *really* use a break from Team Rocket showing up in every single bloody episode, but in comparison to some other anime I've seen, I think Pokemon doesn't do too bad. Compare it to Naruto. In that series they only spend about two minutes of any episode fighting. The rest is spent on lame taunts, explaining the strategy someone used(despite the fact everyone can easily guess), and minutes, upon minutes of enemies staring eachother down, in order to "build dramatic tension". I am so glad Pokemon doesn't do this.
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btamamura
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Time:2007-11-12 07:04 am (UTC)
I do have to agree that the series is being too repetitive with their filler plots, but it is good seeing some new characters. I just mainly watch the new eps to see if I can catch a glimpse of Tracey (I only got interested when I saw The Lost Lapras, whereas earlier I was like '*shrug* whatever...', so it's thanks to Tracey I even got into Pokemon).
However, recently a friend of mine sent me many Japanese episodes and some of the movies, so I've been watching those (especially eps with Tracey or a character voiced by Ishida Akira).
The movies are getting better each time too, the effects of the ninth movie were so spectacular, honestly. If you haven't seen it I suggest you do. And Manaphy is a really kawaii Pokemon so there's a bonus for folks who like cute Pokemon.
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